Re: SOLACE and SOLACE OF THE BODY : what are they ?

From: Greg Stafford <glorantha1_at_oqVpfd_qpTjfMfuej-hCOgvWSCQnQbcV3BJTpNb-qi3XZVrG_9VeqHgo1ce9ggIBL>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:28:01 -0800

YGWV I aologize here for not beign more specific, but I do not have my books with me here
When the Zzbaur quote says "Solace" please consider it a translation problem The Zzbur text refers to the state of being that precedes the one after it It is not the state of eternal peace which Malkioni worshippers obtain

--Greg

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Peter Metcalfe <metcalph_at_tJq3jlCsVsK3Cn2acih155R9rSWlP3zGQS1M242ntBr0DWGoMfWrdgPAj7HJDxlc1IuYVxv2o6exF9zJADZIrvZQj8LU.yahoo.invalid
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> On 1/19/2011 10:39 PM, David Cake wrote:
> > I think it more likely that Solace of the Body is just a
> > phrase, and actually refers to the solace that is necessary because
> > of sheer tragedy of being mortal - that 'of the Body' part is
> > referring to the sorrow that is comforted.
> Another possibility is that the meaning of body may have simply
> evolved. When Malkion first preached it, one's body may have been
> understood as one's nature, self or identity. But when people started
> getting killed, the meanings of body may have simply being whittled down
> to the vessel of flesh and blood.
>
> > My impression is that Brithini, according to orthodox
> > Malkionism, not only do not experience Solace, but are almost defined
> > by not acknowledging (and so not experiencing) Solace.
> The trouble is in Revealed Mythologies, Zzabur describes himself as
> throwing the gates of Solace open to the world (p2). One can get around
> this difficulty by redefining the meaning of Solace for the Brithini (ie
> Solace of the Body is personal immortality). Zzabur may have a more
> arcane understanding of what he means by the gates of solace - it could
> mean something like allowing the energies of the Abstract Plane to
> provide Solace for the World Body so that he imbues glorantha with
> immortality.
> > If they
> > acknowledged Solace and so acknowledged the message of Old Malkion
> > (and denying Zzaburs denial of it), they would not be Brithini at
> > all, but simply Malkioni.
> I think the Schism goes like this.
>
> 1) Malkion proclaims the Revelations of Now.
>
> 2) Malkion decides that he was in error and that the Revelations of Now
> are wrong.
>
> 3) Zzabur has Malkion put in a home.
>
> If the Brithini do acknowledge Solace they would do so according in
> terms of the Revelations of Now, not the new wave mystical bullshit
> interpretation put forward by a Great Man gone Ga-ga before his time.
>
> --Peter Metcalfe
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Greg Stafford
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