From: Lawrence Whitaker <lawrence.whitaker_at_Guff3i4WzDCHZskRCkxm3PcJJF8GDR0fax7FPlkqqvaoPT8KQl4Z_59t4MhSZyNsiBpEMpHqDWB0GX-zNTvY8I3iOMY.yahoo.invalid>
To: WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2011, 18:34
Subject: Re: Wyrms (was Dragonewt Leather)
I really wouldn't rely on the MRQ1 wyrm description as having any relationship with dragonewts at all. I don't believe that description was meant to relate to any kind of Gloranthan dragon; merely a description of a general, all-purpose wyrm.
In the Dragonewt book, becoming a True Dragon is something dragons work towards but is never guaranteed. Some will never attain it. A very few will become inhuman kings. A small few might do so, but its a very tenuous, ambiguous goal.
Wyrms aren't a stage of dragonewt development. The EWF spell you refer to is a rather clumsy interpretation of how the EWF humans use draconic magic, but dragonewts simply wouldn't bother.
On 27 August 2011 09:34, Richard Hayes <richard_hayes29_at_yhfAqJvwDO_u-lWGEsPfpNpclgm_pJRJs1C0SPCh5arXYhh5Ucf2J7PhF3pOoGV1HCYwyJkJLDN5DCl8ZSwvy8wr3GN4.yahoo.invalid> wrote:
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> Please correct me if I am wrong, but I half-remember a further possibility
> in relation to Wyrms, mentioned on this forum (I think) by Peter Metcalfe.
> This idea is that there once was a time at which being reincarnated as a
> Wyrm was part of Dragonewt development, but not any more. This is such a
> fascinating idea that I would like someone to say a bit more about it. It
> doesn't have to be incompatible with the old RQ II account of where Wyrms
> come from either.
> If Wyrms are a stage of Drgonewt development, where do they come in the
> cycle? Or is it a stage that Dragonewts only end up in if things go wrong
> (like becoming a Magisaur), but as a result of a particular kind of
> draconic bad karma
>
> I don't know if the revised edition of MRQ II changed this, but the MRQ I
> Rules write-up of Wyrms (p. 333 of MRQ Deluxe) says:
>
> "Wyrms resemble nothing so much as snakes with wings. Utterly limbless
> they have draconc heads and thick scaly armour that betrays their
> relationship to dragons"
>
> Which doesn't explain how Wyrms are related to dragons.
>
> There are few references to Wyrms in the index of the MRQ book on
> Dragonewts. Maybe there are some buried deeper in the text?
>
> In the MRQ book on EWF magic, there is a spell/feat (what is the right term
> for advanced EWF magic?) which allows an EWF cultist temporarily to become a
> Wyrm, although using this magic is damaging to one's progress towards
> Draconic Illumination. This is not a new idea though -- the old RQ II
> write-up of the Sun Dragon cult strongly hinted at the existence of such
> magic during the Second Age.
>
> Do any Dragonewts know this magical technique too? Is it possible that some
> knew it in the Second Age, but it is no longer thought of as Right Action in
> any circumstances in the Third Age?
>
> Richard Hayes
>
>
> From: jorganos <joe_at_z2eey_oDVrUe7Uvxt0F-mk6v6hviLVm5FqNTpILUSf8y98gXcKxdZSTgORjrNgEpdDlus4hXbA.yahoo.invalid>
> To: WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2011, 13:33
> Subject: Re: Dragonewt Leather
>
> Richard Crawley
> >> Further, is the only reference to "Dragonewt" leather armour in
> >> Plunder.
>
> > Isn't there an NPC Dragonewt in Griffin Mountain who's tracking a
> > human who killed him and made a suit of armour out of his skin?
>
> Inoi Sessela, yes.
>
> > In light of more recent information of Dragonewts and draconic
> > philosophy from the Second Age material I wonder if the Dragonewt in
> > question isn't demonstrating an unhealthy attachment to things of
> > the mundane world...?
>
> I suppose that the armor draws upon its magical abilities, so it is a tie
> to the mundane world it had best overcome. Eating it is one way to overcome
> it...
>
> While speaking of draconic magic, I have been wondering about wyrms and
> their way to true dragonhood. In the Golden Dragon Cult description in Pavis
> and Big Rubble, the successor to the Dragon Sun Emperor as the leader of the
> Golden Dragon Society is the Golden Wyrm.
>
> There are two slightly different explanations for wyrms in the Gloranthan
> sources.
>
> Elder Secrets: Secrets Book 18
> "Wyrms are distantly related to dragons, probably through some sort of
> ancient mutation which is unrecorded to human annals."
>
> RuneQuest 2 Rules 90
> "The result of a misguided attempt by the Second Council to create new
> dragons after the ancestral dragons either went away or went to sleep. The
> result was much less than hoped for, and rapidly went its own way."
>
> If we reread "Second Council" as EWF and Second Age, I can see EWF schools
> teaching aspiring humans how to become a full wyrm and then progress to
> dragonhood the wyrmish way.
>
> Is there anything in the MRQ books about the EWF and Wyrms?
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