But YGWV.
On 27 August 2011 13:45, Richard Hayes <richard_hayes29_at_wGy5F7wNLmxBDAjWSBGb5g5HWFfhtbEpHnWH457lUhM151cBq_FmuLtZlsVw04LGRmB-egq08vNb1yYIZKiG79cl.yahoo.invalid> wrote:
> **
>
>
> If Wyrms aren't a stage of Dragonewt development (or even a stage of
> Dragonewt development gone horribly wrong), what are they?
>
> Richard Hayes
>
>
> From: Lawrence Whitaker <lawrence.whitaker_at_s24t2Q9xSUCbskPxbHV90xN2Jd832XGwCq4n33_ZquEwdByxWvRpjF8fH_Hqk0xomrVVNXhgg3in1IUdROtj146PQ7-q.yahoo.invalid>
> To: WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2011, 18:34
> Subject: Re: Wyrms (was Dragonewt Leather)
>
>
> I really wouldn't rely on the MRQ1 wyrm description as having any
> relationship with dragonewts at all. I don't believe that description was
> meant to relate to any kind of Gloranthan dragon; merely a description of a
> general, all-purpose wyrm.
>
> In the Dragonewt book, becoming a True Dragon is something dragons work
> towards but is never guaranteed. Some will never attain it. A very few will
> become inhuman kings. A small few might do so, but its a very tenuous,
> ambiguous goal.
>
> Wyrms aren't a stage of dragonewt development. The EWF spell you refer to
> is
> a rather clumsy interpretation of how the EWF humans use draconic magic,
> but
> dragonewts simply wouldn't bother.
>
> On 27 August 2011 09:34, Richard Hayes <richard_hayes29_at_wGy5F7wNLmxBDAjWSBGb5g5HWFfhtbEpHnWH457lUhM151cBq_FmuLtZlsVw04LGRmB-egq08vNb1yYIZKiG79cl.yahoo.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Please correct me if I am wrong, but I half-remember a further
> possibility
> > in relation to Wyrms, mentioned on this forum (I think) by Peter
> Metcalfe.
> > This idea is that there once was a time at which being reincarnated as a
> > Wyrm was part of Dragonewt development, but not any more. This is such a
> > fascinating idea that I would like someone to say a bit more about it. It
> > doesn't have to be incompatible with the old RQ II account of where Wyrms
> > come from either.
> > If Wyrms are a stage of Drgonewt development, where do they come in the
> > cycle? Or is it a stage that Dragonewts only end up in if things go wrong
> > (like becoming a Magisaur), but as a result of a particular kind of
> > draconic bad karma
> >
> > I don't know if the revised edition of MRQ II changed this, but the MRQ I
> > Rules write-up of Wyrms (p. 333 of MRQ Deluxe) says:
> >
> > "Wyrms resemble nothing so much as snakes with wings. Utterly limbless
> > they have draconc heads and thick scaly armour that betrays their
> > relationship to dragons"
> >
> > Which doesn't explain how Wyrms are related to dragons.
> >
> > There are few references to Wyrms in the index of the MRQ book on
> > Dragonewts. Maybe there are some buried deeper in the text?
> >
> > In the MRQ book on EWF magic, there is a spell/feat (what is the right
> term
> > for advanced EWF magic?) which allows an EWF cultist temporarily to
> become a
> > Wyrm, although using this magic is damaging to one's progress towards
> > Draconic Illumination. This is not a new idea though -- the old RQ II
> > write-up of the Sun Dragon cult strongly hinted at the existence of such
> > magic during the Second Age.
> >
> > Do any Dragonewts know this magical technique too? Is it possible that
> some
> > knew it in the Second Age, but it is no longer thought of as Right Action
> in
> > any circumstances in the Third Age?
> >
> > Richard Hayes
> >
> >
> > From: jorganos <joe_at_p9KaZOPvLsCC14DD_AC1Pwnlm8eH76q8U1ftfuKO03gb_2mqFWVr3iQiOVCB2c19DxTUKP1z.yahoo.invalid>
> > To: WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2011, 13:33
> > Subject: Re: Dragonewt Leather
> >
> > Richard Crawley
> > >> Further, is the only reference to "Dragonewt" leather armour in
> > >> Plunder.
> >
> > > Isn't there an NPC Dragonewt in Griffin Mountain who's tracking a
> > > human who killed him and made a suit of armour out of his skin?
> >
> > Inoi Sessela, yes.
> >
> > > In light of more recent information of Dragonewts and draconic
> > > philosophy from the Second Age material I wonder if the Dragonewt in
> > > question isn't demonstrating an unhealthy attachment to things of
> > > the mundane world...?
> >
> > I suppose that the armor draws upon its magical abilities, so it is a tie
> > to the mundane world it had best overcome. Eating it is one way to
> overcome
> > it...
> >
> > While speaking of draconic magic, I have been wondering about wyrms and
> > their way to true dragonhood. In the Golden Dragon Cult description in
> Pavis
> > and Big Rubble, the successor to the Dragon Sun Emperor as the leader of
> the
> > Golden Dragon Society is the Golden Wyrm.
> >
> > There are two slightly different explanations for wyrms in the Gloranthan
> > sources.
> >
> > Elder Secrets: Secrets Book 18
> > "Wyrms are distantly related to dragons, probably through some sort of
> > ancient mutation which is unrecorded to human annals."
> >
> > RuneQuest 2 Rules 90
> > "The result of a misguided attempt by the Second Council to create new
> > dragons after the ancestral dragons either went away or went to sleep.
> The
> > result was much less than hoped for, and rapidly went its own way."
> >
> > If we reread "Second Council" as EWF and Second Age, I can see EWF
> schools
> > teaching aspiring humans how to become a full wyrm and then progress to
> > dragonhood the wyrmish way.
> >
> > Is there anything in the MRQ books about the EWF and Wyrms?
> >
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