Re: Vadeli besmirching

From: David Cake <dave_at_Vqe78NMjkT8ytoffame2TyMKL8XgFN3TqhC27L6tOOSfTEldoWmM-p-Q5lHmeBRguoGWAMX>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 17:37:01 -0600

Think of the Blue Vadeli as the Mad scientists, and Brown Vadeli as their creeping assistants.

On 15/03/2012, at 2:05 PM, Kevin McDonald wrote:

> To me the proto-Vadeli were the arch-typical mad scientists. Their's
> was the explorer tribe. They went out into the world exploring
> creation and reporting their discoveries back to the Zabburi for the
> good of Gods People. But they went too far - into other worlds where
> the Creator's Law was not respected. At first they brought back
> interesting items and information - presumably negative examples
> showing how screwed up the rest of the universe was. Eventually they
> became polluted by this - illuminated, some might say - and fell to
> the error of hubris. Tempted by the amazing discovery that there were
> entities that did not follow the Law of God, they shifted from serving
> God's People to serving only their own greed and ambition. The more
> they were opposed by the orthodox Malkioni the deeper into error they
> fell in response. In the end they wound up almost conquering their
> world - as people unrestrained by morality often do - but they lost it
> all in the end because they took it all too far - as people
> unrestrained by morality often do. This is an oft repeated theme in
> Gloranthan history. Maybe the Vadeli are the archetype for this, the
> mold from which Nysalor and the Red Goddess were cast.
> Do they break the Law out of spite? Yes. Even to the point that
> Hrestol's reverse psychological ploy - which they surely saw through -
> would bind them.
> Would they use Chaos? Absolutely. Not because they are Chaotic, but
> because they have no restraining moral code.
> Are they inherently Chaotic? No. They are something worse.
> -Kevin McD
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:45 PM, David Cake <> wrote:

>> I don't think the Vadeli are chaotic, but I don't think they would
>> necessarily avoid using chaos if necessary. However, neither would they seek
>> it out.
>> I don't think the Vadeli hate the Law. Rather, their idea of the Law is
>> pure logic, with no moral judgements. If incest or baby eating has a useful
>> purpose, they will do it. If it doesn't, they won't.
>> Chaotics rage against the existence of rules and laws, even the laws of
>> physics. Vadeli use laws of the universe to their own advantage, ruthlessly
>> and without morals.
>> Cheers
>> David

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