Lawrence Whitaker wrote:
>
> I'd endorse the purchase of Mongoose's 'Fronela' if only for the fact
> that I
> wrote it ;-)
> But you will find some - quite a few - of the questions answered - at
> least
> as far as circa 908/910. There's a timeline, drawn from Mike Dawson's
> excellent Codex 2 (and used with his permission), plus details on
> Second Age
> Galastar, Loskalm, Janube City States, Charg, and precisely what the
> nature
> of EWF influence (and Carmanian resistance to it) exists around this
> time up
> and down the Janube (its weird). The development of Hrestolism is
> discussed
> in some detail, along with myths, and the nature of dualism in Galastar
> explored to some extent.
>
> Its all pre-Ban, of course, so Second Age Fronela is very different to how
> it becomes when the Ban comes into force, but it should give a good
> foundation for the sorts of questions posed in this thread.
>
> What I should also add is that Trotsky's 'Heroes of Malkion' was an
> invaluable resource for putting this book together, along with various
> bits
> of wisdom from Pete Metcalfe.
>
> 2009/3/3 Peter Metcalfe <metcalph_at_jdUGfKT6K6kXxHpZxRIFFypc7PjzEDPo55l0MlmnvswdH7BzhuwJdzc5CA3POYw3E258Sg9mu3USl3-M-0h826XuPmXh.yahoo.invalid
> <mailto:metcalph%40quicksilver.net.nz>>
>
> > At 05:29 p.m. 3/03/2009, you wrote:
> > > >Loskalm appears to have freed itself in a revolt
> > > >before the Closing but was still cited
> > >
> > >cited where?
> >
> > The Middle Sea Empire, an unfinished worl.
> >
> > > >>3) Valmark: At some point, Loskalm seems to stretch all the way down
> > the
> > > >>Janube river valley. (Eastpoint) When? Pre-God learners? Post
> > > >>God-learners?
> >
> > > >During the God Learner Period until the Carmanians came down and
> > > >kicked ass.
> >
> > >So the God Learners kicked the EWF out of the area completely? The
> > >Carmanians then knocked them off while still ostensibly God
> Learner-y or
> > >was that after the GLs had fallen apart?
> >
> > Any EWF influence in Fronela has to be over the High Llama Pass
> > and that gets obliterated by Alakoring circa 900s.
> >
> > > >Junora is really a land containing a number of independent nobles
> > > >rather than an actual county.
> >
> > >I'd still probably put a Count as the big dog who at least took charge
> > >during the ban. Obviously, as any kind of unified identity, they only
> > >had the 100-odd years of the Ban for it, so I suspect it is a very
> > >fragile construct.
> >
> > Junora was not isolated as an independent entity during the Ban
> > - it was fragmented by the Ban and hence there is no Count.
> > Instead of one big county, every town, village and manor was
> > cut off from each other by the Ban. Some parts of Junora still
> > have not been freed from the ban.
> >
> > >So there was a real fracturing of the religion post-God Learner's in
> > >your view.
> >
> > I never spoke of a real fracturing and for the religion to have
> fractured
> > after the God Learners would imply that it was unified to begin with
> > - which I do not believe to be the case. The establishment of a
> > Loskalmi church took place during the Ban - prior to that there
> > were many different Loskalmi churches each with their own
> > quirks.
> >
> > > >Wolves. Lots and lots of wolves. Werewolves to be more precise.
> > > >Huge vicious werewolves. With wicked fangs.
> > >
> > >Well that's a good reason. So where do these werewolves come from? Was
> > >there a long history of werewolves?
> >
> > The werewolves have been around since Talor's time, and for a while
> > before then for he to have bothered cursing them.
> >
> > >(Or is this just over the mountain
> > >from Telmor or something that I'm not noticing so it is pretty evident
> > >there are going to be werewolves everywhere. Is the place still
> > >crawling with werewolves?
> >
> > I imagine the Telmori crossed the High Llama Pass (eating all
> > the High Llama in the process) and colonized the land closest
> > to Telmoria. They were weakened greatly by Talor and hunted
> > down during the Imperial Age (after Syranthir marched through).
> > There are still werewolves around but they are usually genetic
> > throwbacks rather than actual Telmori clans.
> >
> > > >I don't think the Syanorans are Gerlanti inspired.
> >
> > >Any reason?
> >
> > Gerlant isn't known for religious innovation - he's little more
> > than a heroic king with a badass flaming sword.
> >
> > > >Rather the Church was established by the Wizard Halwal when he was
> > seeking
> > > >allies during the Sorcerer's War.
> >
> > >OK, What's the Sorcerer's War?
> >
> > A war between two Sorcerers that spanned the length and
> > breadth of God Learner civilization at the time. They were
> > fighting for largely personal reasons (Halwal wanted to be
> > High Sorceror of the God Learners but was refused and so
> > spent the next seventy years trying to destroy the God
> > Learner establishment).
> >
> > >I was under the impression [the Arrolians] were more refugees. You
> > >are implying
> > >they had a philosophical/political difference of some type before the
> > >nomad invasion and so they just took advantage to go off somewhere else
> > >and do their own thing?
> >
> > They didn't take advantage - the religious differences they had were
> > aggravated by the Seleran Crisis and so they undertook the decent
> > option left open to them.
> >
> > > >They were freed by the ban at different times.
> >
> > >Any dates listed anywhere? That certainly means they were separate.
> >
> > The Genertela Book in the Genertela: Crucible of the Hero Wars
> > boxed set.
> >
> > Riverjoin - 1597
> > Southbank - 1603 (the origin of the name Southbank should alone
> > indicate they were isolated from each other)
> > Galastar - 1599
> > Eastpoint - 1589
> >
> > > >Hrestolism is really a spiritual practice rather than a formal
> church in
> > > >its own right.
> >
> > >Thus the idea that ALL churches in the first age or two were "hrestoli"
> > >in some way.
> >
> > That's not the case. Hrestolism is the institution of knighthood and
> > is not in and of itself a challenge to the accepted Malkioni caste
> > structure. That early churches tolerated the practice of knighthood
> > to some extent or another does not mean they were Hrestoli. Think
> > of crusaders, friars, jedi, hermits and monks as examples of
> > Hrestoli knight as opposed to the traditional knights.
> >
> > --Peter Metcalfe
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
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> And the next its rolling over me...
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