Re: Dara Happans and Time

From: jorganos <joe_at_...>
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:34:39 -0000


Peter Metcalfe <metcalph_at_...> wrote:

> On 4/24/2013 10:08 PM, jorganos wrote:

>> What is hard to define in the pre-dawn is the concept of 
>> days - when there was a sun in the sky, it was more or 
>> less high in the sky, regardless whether it was called 
>> Antirius, Elmal, or Yelm. It grew weaker and sank lower, 
>> but it never set (neither in Orlanthi nor in Dara Happan myth).

> The Sun did set in Dara Happan myth.

As the result of Rebellus Terminus slaying Yelm, not marking the end of a day.

> They have the Doom Conjunction recorded on their plates

Yes, there is one such artefact showing the Gods Age descent of Yelm. I doubt that this event has anything to do with a pre-Dawn concept of Day - when the sun set on the first day after the Dawn, the people witnessing this were horrified. Nobody expected that to happen.

> and measured the Solar
> Radius by the distance between the Peak and the Well of Barda
> (Heaven Corrupted article in the Glorious ReAscent).

> Antirius who remained behind was not as bright as Yelm had
> been nor as far reaching.

True. Also not as high as Yelm, and sinking lower and lower until it was just a shining orb above Raibanth. (Much like Elmal dimmed, until he was visible only around Mt Kero Fin.)

>> The Starseers could define a day as the full cycle of the >> rotation of the Heavens.

> They had night time back then.

Do we have any sources for a presence of Night prior to the descent of Yelm?

We know that Yelm had a shadow (where he couldn't look).

> The difference I suppose is that Yelm and other planets went
> behind the Sky instead of into the Underworld.

Do you have a source for Yelm moving from his throne room after becoming Emperor? The most movement I find recorded about Yelm is his court dance in the Orlanth challenge, closely followed by lifting his feet from the Footstool when Sshorga entered Raibanth untamed.

>> There would have been many more prominent celestial bodies 
>> in both the Golden Age and the Storm Age, with losses incurred 
>> due to the Chaos invasion of the skies.

> There's only about ten and they've all been restored (to the
> Sky that is, not as was which would be incorrect in the case
> of Umath).

The planets, maybe. But I am speaking about the stellar desert, and about lights that perished from other regions of the sky.

Possibly including Orlanthi star captains.            

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