Re: Presents from a shaman

From: Roderick and Ellen Robertson <rjremr_at_...>
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:43:39 -0800


> > Ask Nick ;-).
>
> How many hours/pints is the answer likely to take?

Hmm, I think the last time was a couple courses of a Morroccan dinner...

> I can see I'l have to re-read the distinction between
> Practice spirits and Tradition spirits, too.

Pages 134 "Tradition Spirits and Charms", Page 136 "Practice Spirits and Fetishes", Page 137 "Practice Spirits and Charms". :-)

> > > OK, fair enough. But his local friendly shaman
> > could perhaps do the
> > > release for him, allowing him to get the benefits?
>
> > I don't think you *can* release the fetishes of
> > another person.
>
> Even if you're the one who created the fetish?

Hmmm, rereading 136, it looks like you can't make fetishes for someone else, only charms.

Again, it comes down to that personal relationship - this time between the creator and the spirit. There's certainly no *rule* about transferring fetishes to another person, like there is about transferring charms.

(Oh, and Tradition spirits *can* be made into Fetishes, by releasing the spirits and then befriending it, bottom of 136, I overlooked that earlier).

> > The
> > "release" function is based a personal relationship
> > between the holder and the spirit in the fetish
>
> Which presumably the creator had, in order to create
> it?

Right, but there's no function to say "now go be *his* friend" and give it to another person.

I suppose you *could* give the fetish to another person, but they would have to go through the whole "Befriend a Spirit" ritual to gain control over the spirit and be able to use the "Release" function. Then there is the question of: "Can a spirit serve two masters?" - can it have two friends who can release it? If yes, then how do you determine who gets to do it if there is an argument - Friendship vs Friendship?

RR
C'est par mon ordre et pour le bien de l'Etat que le porteur du pr�sent a fait ce qu'il a fait.
- Richelieu

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