Re:AW: Vedr. Re: In Defence Of A Goddess - A

From: David Cake <dave_at_Wk8Pgt1sVsDIjji9cE8OG6iBkdJ4dVIorCmbKVLkmnZTmpDnvLIQCEEQumhg_8yG5BsNboJ>
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 16:07:27 +0800


At 5:50 AM +0000 10/5/07, Jeff Richard wrote:
> > Which sort of illustrates my point - even when we ask you,
>> the most noted proponent of 'Ernalda is cool, really' for an example,
>> all we can come up with is a character from a currently unpublished
>> work, and one with a list of achievements rather than a really cool
>> story per se...
>
>David - you asked me that question while I am still unpacking boxes
>into my new flat in Berlin and all my Glorantha notes are in boxes
>slowly sailing from Seattle to Hamburg. To be honest, other than
>Kallyr Starbrow (whose fame is largely unrelated to her worship of
>Vinga - heck Rigsdal is far more important to her), I can't name a
>significant Vingan character with a cool story.
>
>Heck - other than Starbrow - name me one prominent Vingan that Greg
>has written about.

[Peter delivers]
Heh.

        And as Peter mentions, all 'Orlanthi' women must now be retrospectively classified as Vingans. Ie Pay Surney (and Euclia Stormfollower, etc) in Griffin Mountain, Ariella The Actress.

        Regardless of which it isn't a Vinga vs Ernalda issue, its an Ernalda vs - the issue is that if Vinga is the only way into the Orlanth cult for women (a poor decision in the first place), and majority of fun characters with interesting stories Greg has written about are Orlanthi, then surely if you say being in Vinga makes you freakish and odd because you don't belong, what you are really saying is female characters that want to act out the the cool stories in Glorantha are freakish and odd. Being cool is for men, so all women that want to be a part of all those big stories must acknowledge their freakishness and unfemaleness somehow.

        What it comes down to is - Greg has decided that Orlanthi society is really sexist for the most part. Yes, there are many ways to escape from a rigid gender role, but only by being some sort of freak. He has decided to enforce and encourage this sexism, and 'fix' those areas where somehow insufficiently sexist parts snuck through in the past, in the belief that its valid in some deep mythological way. Despite it being not particularly consistent with his past writings, or in any way appreciated by his audience. And you are cheering him on. Vinga is the just point at which people cry enough already.

	Cheers
		David

           

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