#1 is done by the clan backed by the gods.
It should be done with a opposed roll, of your relationship to the
clan. They meet, and decide. Then the ritual is just a formality.
If yo have done something really heinous, then this gives a huge
modifier to their success.
#2 is different, and it'd be opposed between your relationship to the
gods, and the clans' =---what, power of oulawry? their collective
Relationship?
The latter might not work...
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