Re: The origin of Ogres.

From: boztakang <daniel.mccluskey_at_ndv6aeBCBqTxmcsXiga6locMz_4OT2C9H5KG4vEk5m6zWZpDMi-LIekc_9c>
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:45:21 -0000

> [an interesting (if long) discussion of the nature and source of chaos]

I find myself in the camp that the critical thing that allows chaos into the world is "breaking the rules"

Broo became chaotic when they broke the "rules" of joyful procreation, and embraced rape. Ogres violate the laws of society and humanity by preying on it from within.

When a Thanatari steals heads for his own use, it's chaotic, because is denying the victim a natural death. When Orlanth steals a dragons head, it's ok, because it is Orlanth's nature to kill monsters and take trophies. (alternately, the dragon summoned orlanth as an agent of utumna)

When a troll eats her children, it is a sacred act enabling the deceased's soul to return to the womb of Kyger Litor for rebirth. If a human does the same (barring specific ritual circumstance) they run the risk of becoming chaotic. How that chaos manifests will be different in each case - on account of being, ya'know, Chaos.

Yelm, by being killed and abdicating his role as emperor (or Orlanth, by rebelling and killing the rightful emperor) broke the universe wide open, and allowed chaos to run rampant.

The Lunars have learned how to "play the ref" and (mostly) are able to get away with bending reality to their own benefit.

Disorder is resistant to chaos BECAUSE it has so few rules to break, Law and Truth, are susceptible to corruption by their very nature - Tapping is part and parcel of sorcery, and Truth denies the fundamental malleability of (gloranthan) reality.

Because we are talking about chaos, there is no clear cause and effect - I believe you CAN become an ogre by eating human flesh - but you clearly won't always, even if you realllly want to (for whatever twisted reason)            

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