<< Trotsky:
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Actually, orthodox mystics would say that magic is indeed just an illusion, the use of which will entrap you further in the world. >>
Yes, but they say that of almost *everything*, so I don't really think it counters my point. They believe its real in so far as they believe the physical world is real (or so I understand) which is good enough for me. They don't, for instance, think its deliberate trickery, which I think was the possibility to which I was responding.
Forward the glorious Red Army!
Trotsky
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