The Trouble with Insravel

From: innerworlder2000 <innerworlder2000_at_370byvvdez1f-1ojxeQa99J8gnN1SZ90ExCtxu0apYv0Y5jt0rGMvlJBqGY>
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:11:09 -0000


One of the problems with the RQ3 Cults Book was that it did not distinguish between God Learner Philosophy and Western Malkionism
(pre-God Learner). This was not a big deal in the Third Age.
However, I was really excited about the 2nd age material (by Mongoose) because I thought it would finally give a good description of this. However, it seems to be missing in GtSA and CoG vol 1.

I'm having a problem envisioning Loskalm before the God Learners and how the God Learners see Loskalm when both cultures supposedly are Malkionists.

A question similar to this was asked some time ago and answered by Peter Metcalfe:

"Then the God Learners successfully occupied Loskalm and began to convert it into a bastion of Monotheism. As a result, Syranthir was kicked out."

To which Greg added:

"As the political and mercantile power of the Malkioni enlarged various groups interpreted the Invisible God in different ways.

One popular version was called THE RIGHT POWER (Kionvaran). He has a special interest in Rightness and the Righteous. At first it was a powerful unifying movement in Jrustela, and inspired the Return to Righteousness Crusade which brought monotheism to mainland Genertela. However, they later became a rigid and bitter band of arch fundamentalists, interpreting everything through their own book, called the Sharp Abiding Book today.

The God Learners got more abstract and claimed that the Invisible God was Makan, the Great Mind. They increasingly distanced themselves from the mundane world in favor of this god until they lost themselves completely.

The so-called Inflamers went so far that the actually performed pagan burnt sacrifices to the Invisible God, who they called Zabandan. They were even considered wayward by the demonologists who tried to conquer gods. They were eventually exterminated by the Righteous.

Irensavel was another aberrant interpretation of the Invisible God. Amidst these and other heresies, an orthodox church dutifully bore its functionary responsibilities among the common peoples. These often forgotten people occasionally showed themselves, as in the White Robe Protest and the Illiterate's Rebellion, which nonetheless achieved its objectives.

This orthodox church was the basis for the later Rokari tradition. Irensavel, the Fronelan Heresy, Fronelan sorcerers were offended by the Return to Rightness, whose god Malkioneran they saw as a false demiurge."

A significant part of this religion is in its moral issues: there is a right and wrong which transcend humanity and even the gods. The Center of their philosophy was, instead, based on personal experience, and in obtaining sensitivity in applying the impersonal
(sorcerous) powers to the material world.

This developed to be contact with their own higher form of God, which they called the Hidden Mover, a mysterious entity which even preceded the Oneness of Malkion the Creator.

The Hidden Mover was separate from the world, preceding the creation even of matter and energy. Thus his transcendent magic and protection was similar to the God Learners. However, Irensavel had a strict moral code, and did prohibited the massive exploitation of either worshippers or nature which Malkioneran encouraged.

To the worshippers of Irensavel, Malakion was the evil and corrupt demiurge who purpose was to keep people in the gross and bloated clutches of the material world. Living Irensavel's Pure Life would allow people to be freed and become one with that transcendent entity."

I am assuming from the texts given above that Syranthir was of the Insravel persuasion. Perhaps Insravelism (Insravel being a purifying god) is closer to Zoroastrianism and Mandeanism is closer to Carmanianism [Cosmic Light/Darkness, a savior spirit that assists souls to worlds of light (in later times Sedenya – illuminism) secretive and doesn't promote asceticism].

So was Syranthir of the Insravel persuasion? Did he believe Malkion to be the corrupting God, and therefore the God Learners were (in a sense) devil worshippers?

What it seems like to me is that Insravel-ism is most like Zoroastrianism and Carmanianism is most like Gnosticism (the Mandean school) and the God Learners play the role of Church Inquisitors.

Therefore, Syranthir was not really what you would call a Malkioni, but he was an Isravel-ist. The Insravel-ists were being persecuted by the God Learners, and Syranthir was fighting for the religous freedom of Loskalm. He lost and was driven further and further up the Janube valley by God Learner Rightness Troops. Apparently they felt he had been driven far enough away and ceased pursuit of him.

Carmanos did not combine Insravelism with Pelandan religion, but recieved a pure divine revelation that reveals a previously unknown mystery: the Pelandan high god Idovanus is actually the Good Lord of Truth and Genesatarus (once referred to as Fronaloko) is the Lord of Deciet.

Although it has similarities to Insravelism, it is not actually a related religion or combined religion, but a new revelation that stands on its own.            

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